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Majin Buu In Depth
Topic Started: Nov 14 2010, 06:57 PM (3,338 Views)
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Here is my explanation of Majin Buu and how he works. This is a rather exhausting topic and extremely complicated issue. Here is a post that I responded to on another forum, as it's probably the best I could ever word it, and to have to rack my brain to put it together again might cause brain freeza.


These are based off of the implications in the manga that suggests....


Buff > Super > Kid > Fat > Evil > Good




Agreed. Even though Kid Buu is suggested to still be in Good Buu by Goku/Vegeta, I highly doubt it. I believe that South + Dai and a small portion of bubblegum holding it all together is what Good Buu consists of.


Honestly , I doubt there is any pods inside of Good Buu. Also I don't think Kid Buu was a pod in Fat Buu. I believe once Dai Kaioshin was absorbed , Buu immediately became Good Buu or Innocent Buu whichever name you prefer.

IMO Good Buu is the same thing as Fat Buu. It had always been Good Buu to begin with. Good Buu became hi own entity and Kid Buu/South/Dai all became one with Good Buu, as in absorbed completely , as in no pods.


Fat Buu never realized he was doing anything bad, even when he was commiting evil acts. He was taught that was how he was supposed to play. Upon learning that this was evil, when angered Good Buu's swells with anger which is Kid Buu's influence on him. Fat Buu never thought being angry was a bad thing, but after learning about what was right/wrong, he realized that his anger was a bad thing, and needs to dispel it, as he is a pure good being, and can't knowingly have evil in him.


So essentially Good Buu and Fat Buu have always been the same except Good Buu is now aware of that anger that swells inside of him. Kid Buu has been completely absorbed and is no longer an entity in Good/Fat. After dispelling his anger, Good Buu's evil takes on a physical entity and is the Evil that was inside of Good Buu. This is not Kid Buu. Kid Buu has no existence as of yet.


Now, when Evil Buu absorbs Good Buu, Kid Buu's existence is now restored. Kid Buu now becomes the dominant figure inside of Super Buu, and is now the base of operations. Kid Buu when directly absorbing Dai Kaioshin cannot exist. Dai Kaioshin's good overrides Kid Buu's evil and Dai Kaioshin dominates his existence to a point where Kid Buu does not exist anymore.


However, Kid being the base of operations inside of Super Buu is able to absorbs Dai Kaioshin, but not directly. He absorbs Good Buu who contains Dai Kaioshin's essence. Which is not exactly Dai Kaioshin, but a new entity combined with South Kaioshin which is Good Buu. So Kid Buu is able to have Dai Kaioshin absorbed indirectly and still maintain most of the power supplied by Buff. But as we can see even Dai Kaioshin's essence absorbed in Good Buu is still playing a major factor. Super is not as strong as Buff Buu, so Dai Kaioshin suppresses Kid's power multiplied by South. Dai Kaioshin works as a restricting agent inside of Super. As you can see even while he is not totally connected in a pod with Kid Buu, just Good Buu , essentially Dai Kaioshin's prescense does not allow Kid to attack Mr Satan.


This also explains why Super says that he will cease to exist. Dai Kaioshin's influence through Good Buu absorbed, allows a different being to be in control. Dai Kaioshin is not fully in control, but he does have some control. Which is exactly why Super is not a complete psycho like Kid Buu. Super does have some state of conciousness that is allowed by this suppressed Dai Kaioshin I guess you could say.


So in the end, it is all about Dai Kaioshin. When he is in Kid Buu's system he drastically changes the normal operations inside of Buu.


So to recap....


Dai Kaioshin absorbed by Kid Buu, creates a new entity, in which neither Kid Buu nor Dai/South are present anymore.

Fat Buu is essentially Good Buu with an anger that swells inside of him. Once Fat Buu realizes that the anger that swells inside of him is evil, he is forced to dispel it. Which creates Evil Buu, which is representative of Kid Buu's influence over Fat, although it is not truly Kid Buu.


Evil Buu absorbs Good Buu, restoring the natural order of things, which places Kid Buu back in charge. Dai Kaioshin , who is still one with Good Buu, is able to still effect Kid Buu, he gives Kid Buu conciousness, suppressed his power, and keeps Super in check. So even Dai Kaioshin being indirectly absorbed has major effects on Kid Buu.




Alright, I think that was my best effort. Man this is going to be a long read, what do you guys think? I think I put this the best way I could. Everytime I explain it, I seem to get my point across a little better, hopefully this one will be my best yet.


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...How do you figure Buff Buu > Super buu
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Stated in the manga buddy.
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Just being curious but were in the manga? Ultra Buu only had a brief appearance in the manga, and the only thing that got stated is that Ultra Buu gained in strength and that by a huge margin.

And i got to say nice work, this is really accurate, and also makes sense.
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When Super turns into Buff, Goku or Vegeta state

" He's getting stronger "

So Buff > Super

This is a widely accepted thing among the fandom. Im sure you guys have heard of this before no?

Thanks for the support Nusu. I am trying my best to contribute to the fandoms knowledge and have created a working fusion formula. Which no one else on the net, or anywhere else in the world has. Trust me, I have looked numerous places, and people just can't figure it out.

Except for yours truly of course. I guarentee these are the best power range level ever, truly a few steps beyond the Daiz. I pretty much made the corrections that the Daiz needed, and continued from there. All of my ideas , theories are influenced from manga issues, and I do take note of the numerous guides out there. But I only use them as a guideline, not as a strict set of rules, seeing as they are just people like us trying to figure this stuff out.
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Silly me, your right, how could i forgot, even Cell states it.. when you turn buff your gaining in strength but your losing speed.


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Well it's not implied that Buff lost any speed. It's possible, but I doubt it. This is not a USSJ transformation. This is a different form of Buu. Buu takes on a really physically strong look, as it is because he absorbed a really physically imposing guy ( South Kaioshin )

When Buu absorbs Kaioshins, he takes on their traits. Much like he does with the Z fighters, but to an even greater extent with the Kaioshins.


As we can see

Kid/South = Buff Buu

A big strong muscular guy = a big strong Kid Buu


Kid/Dai= Fat Buu


An innocent kai, of pure heart, turns into a fat guy who is nice.



It's not like Super Buu gets diesel and turns into Buff. Buff Buu and Super Buu are totally differing entities.


Buff Buu = Kid / South

Super = Kid Buu / Good Buu


So Super has nothing to do with Buff Buu. They are seperate entities, with seperate powers.


Buff is just flat out more powerful than Super. And that would logically include speed.

So Buff would kick Super's *****, if that makes it more visual for you.
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Good said, i agree. I think he does lose speed, think about it, Broly dosen´t lose strength cause he gains in height so his body can handle the muscle mass, Kid Buu dosen´t gained in height he actually became real buff, and as it looks like in the Anime flashback he can only run like a rhino and barely moved elegant, but i guess thats just me again.
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That was not a statement.. it was a question, Goku wasn't sure lol

Also, I dispute that statement.. Super Buu was the collective power of all the Kaioshins, including South... His power was not diminished or hindered as Super Buu..

Ontop of that, the Kaioshins are known to be weaker than Super Saiya-jins.

As you know Buff buu is South Kaioshin + Kid Buu.. And we know Kid buu < Super Buu.. I don't think a Super Saiyan in the mix is going to help his cause.

Suspect in the matter is, Super Buu lost SO much power when he lost the absorbs that he resorted to Buff Buu and gains a small power increase. However, goku was not sure if he was gaining power or not..

My argument is Kid Buu + Weaker than a Super Saiya-jin < Super buu

I'd put Buff Buu after Fat buu but before Good/Evil Buu
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But Goku can sense ki, also it is stated that Kid Buu gained big in terms of strength when he went buff, with Goku´s statement him becoming stronger then Super Buu this makes it accurate.


Super Buu is Evil Buu and Good Buu combined, it is most likely, that Kid Buu and Super Buu are basically the same in terms of looks, the only different is that Super Buu gained in strength and lost his insanity and basically gained intelligence.

Super Buu states, that he would lose all what he is, basically losing all his gained intelligence and fighting power after they rip out Good Buu, also Super Buu didn´t blowed Kid Buu out of his body like Fat Buu did it with Evil Buu, he actually turned back, which would make it accurate that Super Buu is basically a grown up Kid Buu.

Its hard to say, which part Ultra Buu was on, it could´ve been that Super Buu went buff and therefor creating more power in terms of strength, and then suddenly after losing more of his power turned back into his normal state which eventually became Kid Buu again, causing of the lose of Good Buu.

So yes, Buff Buu is stronger then Super Buu.

I mean look, Evil Buu might be some sort of weak part of Kid Buu, Evil Buu even shares in terms of looks a lot with Kid Buu take the vest and the cape away and you have an Gray "Old" Super Buu, which would put it in like this.

Evil Buu "Rage Buu": Is basically the old buu, the old kid buu, sucked out of his evil, he lost all the evil and became gray which is like a life force for Buu, he got sucked out of his evil basically, he is a evil magic creature after all.

Super Buu: Is like the adult kid buu, basically he gained in terms of IQ a lot, making him at least able to speak, also gaining in height and power, making him superior to all the other Buu´s.

Kid Buu: The "Kid" basically, with a low IQ and basically without the ability to speak, and a.. kinda insane play full attitude.

This is just a theory of course.
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It honestly makes no sense if Buff Buu was becoming stronger than Super Buu.

Many believe that Good Buu is the collective of South and Dai Kaioshins.

All I can reference is Kid Buu was taking on aspects of himself as he reverted from his memory(last being Buff Buu) and getting a surge of power in the process

Kinda akin to an adrenaline rush in human terms.. You become temporarily more powerful, but it's not permanent
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It wasn´t permanent, as you can see, Super Buu went for some seconds buff gaining in strength, and then back into his original form which is Kid Buu, ultimately becoming weaker.
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only east kaioshin was weaker than an ssj, as he was only a child when the other kaioshins died. and only the dai kaioshin weakened buu, because of his exceptional purity, even for a kai. south kaioshin was the most powerful kai, period. when he was absorbed by buu, it was not a simple addition of powers, but a fusion more along the lines of the potara, which is why his form changed so drastically when he absorbed him, because the magic of majin reacts so unpredictably with the magic of kai.
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Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Goku's statement ends with a question mark because they had been pulling out people and Buu was getting weaker. Then they pulled out and he got stronger. Which is why he is confused, which is why their is a question mark.

Lol, Goku is not asking anybody. He of all people reads Buu the best. Vegeta laughs off Kid Buu as if he could take him. Vegeta knows nothing of Buu power wise until later. So no, Goku is not asking him a question, he is just confused why he is getting stronger, because he was getting weaker everytime they pulled people out. He is simply confused.


And no Nusu, just being buff does not mean you lose speed. Only when speed loss is suggested is it true. USSJ isn't stated to lose speed. But USSJ2 is.

So just being diesel doesn't mean you are slow. Stronger, means ki wise, not physical strength. Physical strength is dependant on ki, as well as speed.

Nothing suggests that Buff Buu is any slower than Super Buu. More likely however, Buff Buu is superior to speed/strength than Super Buu.
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Buff Buu is way to muscular to actually move his body in any kind of way, the Ascended form wasn´t effected because Vegeta knew he would lose speed if he transforms furthor. I doubt it hard that Buff Buu is on the same speed level as Super Buu.
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